The rise & fall of JS frameworks

KBall and Chris dive into the current JavaScript trends towards smaller frameworks, compiled JavaScript, and why Chris believes “this time is different” with regards to developers caring about network speed and reducing JS sent over the wire.

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Featuring:

• Chris Ferdinandi – Twitter, Website
• Kevin Ball – Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn, Website

Show Notes:

• The Transitional Web
• Preact
• Petite-Vue
• SolidJS
• Astro
• The spicy React debate show 🌶️
• HTMX
• JavaScript is the CO2 of the web
• Qwik is a new kind of web framework
• Chris’s resource list

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Timestamps:

(00:00) - It's party time, y'all
(00:59) - Welcoming Chris back to the pod
(01:28) - Introducing today's topic
(03:10) - Hot take: jQuery is better than React
(04:37) - So, what's the next big thing?
(10:20) - Requirements for the next big thing
(13:40) - Do we need to change the DX mental model?
(16:50) - We're constantly reinventing the wheel
(18:31) - React vs Preact
(20:38) - Steps toward reducing how much JS you ship
(24:30) - Web components were almost awesome
(25:42) - On sanitizing third-party data
(28:02) - Chris' timeframe on React's dethroning
(31:20) - On WebAssembly
(32:35) - How new tools will come to be
(33:54) - A very good VR tangent
(34:42) - An argument for state-based UI libraries
(36:03) - Are we really transitioning off React?
(38:25) - How the pandemic impacted web dev
(41:18) - How "Back to Office" affects web dev
(42:06) - New frameworks adopting React's API
(43:50) - Advice to new web developers
(44:45) - Maybe KBall & Chris are just dinosaurs?
(45:55) - Vim, why can't KBall quit you?
(47:37) - Summarizing why this time's different
(48:04) - Go check out Chris's amazing resources
(48:40) - January 5, 2028
(50:14) - Wrapping up!
(50:45) - Outro (take the FF survey!)

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